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3.26.2013

90% of the fun at 10% of the cost: Mongoose Beast, Walmart fat bike, first impressions




That's my first impression:  90% of the fun for 10% of the cost.

The unboxing


Beast

Yup...  wow!

About 15 minutes from box to riding.  I am 5'11" and it was no issue making it fit.  Simply would not work for anyone over 6' though without a longer post and a cramped feel.

I put all the stock parts on it and weighed it at 47 lbs and then removed reflectors, stock saddle, kickstand etc. as shown.  I did not reweigh it today but promise to weigh it again after some more drastic, still cheap/free, weight reduction measures.  I'll be leaving the chain guard on as the primary use will be commuting.

All of the parts are of decent quality and fit well with no issues right out of the box.  Extremely impressive for $200.

Frame is steel with a 1 1/8 ht, 135ish front spacing, 170mm rear, 100mm rims (I know there was some debate/question about those items)

I lowered the air pressure down to about 6 psi and headed out...

Here is the same shot of my own custom carbon bike...  more here, interesting how the geometry differs etc.








Initial impressions of the handling are that it is extremely stable.  The chain stays are super long and the bike does feel "heavy" but overall it's pretty neutral.  I think it's just about perfect for a true entry level offroad bike.  No trouble to take the hands off the bars and cruise around the city but also agile enough for some singletrack.


The tires are not the "spider" tires that I was expecting the bike to come with.  I was excited about the tread pattern as soon as I saw it...  the solid center is a nice touch for a bike that many will ride primarily on pavement but the progressively taller knobs felt solid on snow, even with ice patches.  They also provided significant float.  Overall they have a slightly larger contact patch at 7 psi than my "light larry's" on 80mm rims.



One of my concerns was how the coaster brake would perform.  It has almost immediate engagement and plenty of power.  It will take some getting used to in order to ride a coaster brake bike on ice and snowy singletrack, but I was immediately having fun with it.

I'm excited to ride the bike more and it will be my every day commuter going forward.  I am confident in the bike structurally for any conceivable use but the reliability of the hub could be a key issue going forward and is one that I'll be watching carefully.


3.18.2013

More Pugnago and HIlls Iowa Spring Classic... it's Spring! maybe

This was a really great weekend.

Saturday I got to ride twice and hang out with my daughter a ton.  It was a bit icy out there but I rode the CX bike with regular tires for the first ride to get a little speed.  Then later I rode the fatbike with Kim.  I considered heading out to Stagecoach and seeing how the ATV trails were, but already knew the condition of the trail right by my house.  Franz and I had been out there both Wednesday and Thursday nights from 11-12 or so and it was my kind of fatbike conditions.  Despite the relatively cold temperatures the snow was melting fast and when the snow goes that reverts to lame blacktop so decided to hit it when it could be hit.




yup, I've only really got one fatbike trick

At the time was thinking that riding in the river was a sure sign of spring finally really getting spring here...

Sunday meant up early and off to Hills.   After last weeks (scroll down) non-race I was really happy to hear that it was going to be relatively warm and that the gravel was hard packed.  Took a risk and packed only the Look.


Hadn't gotten to ride it since???  probably September.

Here is the Strava information



I attacked up the 4% or so grade after the very first turn.  The pace just seemed low and I didn't want to go into the very fast/downhill/gravel back-section in a large group.  I expected others to react and just hoped to string things out.  I collected 15 or 20 seconds right away.  At about the half-lap mark I saw that two riders had distinctly come clear of the group and were likely gaining on me.  Decided to allow them to catch as I knew three of us would almost certainly stay away all day.  We rode the next 5.5 laps all together.  No action until past the mid-point of the final lap surprised me, I was most worried about being dropped on a hill and now there were none.  Long paved headwind and some short bursts distanced one rider and again I was clear alone but I was totally out of breath (might have been better off getting less of a gap and not working quite so hard and then been able to hold it to the finish).  From there it was cat and mouse with just two to the finish.  I made final turn in second position and sat in the gutter until opening up the sprint, which was very hard for me as I had picked too hard a gear and the other ride was strong, but I was able to win by less than a bike throw.  Last year at this same race I had felt the learning curve of moving up to 1/2/3 races pretty heavy, so this really felt great.

Took my prize money and some awesome gamjams jackets and headed off to a Mexican place in Cedar whichever on is nicer for Chicken Mole, green chilli and a 34 oz beer.  Glad I had a co-pilot (driver) for the ride home.

Sunday was also St. Paddy's!  Locals were out riding and partying it up and we decided to ride over and check out if any of the fun was still going on.  Got to ride my other Lin Anderson painted frame for the first time in it's current iteration...

It will still need a stem with a touch more rise before it's ideal for singletrack but it's damn fun.

Today we have 2-3 inches of new snow already!  Winter.

3.14.2013

It just keeps snowing

Never would have thought it would still be fatbike weather this time of year!  








Have gotten out for three basically "bonus" fat rides recently.  Super fun/challenging conditions all over the place.  Highlights were riding last night with Franz over some barely boot packed, crusty snow and today over thin ice for miles of snowmobile trail.  Getting antsy to switch over to keeping track of my rides in miles, but so long as we are stuck in hour mode I couldn't ask for a better companion than my Pugnago.

1.18.2012

My thoughts and review of fat bikes in general, 9 zero 7 in particular

This isn't my bike, it was borrowed for a period of 1 week. This bike is owned by my good friend Trevor and was purchased as a frameset from a Mr. Tri who raced it last year. I rode it a total of 14 hours in a mixture of conditions. I rode dry riverbeds, sand, across 8" deep open water, in snow, on dry singletrack, snowy singletrack, in the city etc. as well as on my normal commute route and for the Triple D Winter Race. This was a short period of time to get to know a bike, but I rode it hard and made the most of it.



I will readily admit to a bit of a bias against fat bikes. In that I don't trust the hype. In my limited experience they simply are not the "game-changer" that some people claim. The range of conditions in which they really work better than other bikes is small and sort of esoteric. Their ideal place in winter is either a carefully groomed winter singletrack or a snowmobile trail- two things that don't exactly happen everwhere. In summer, they are "best" for really epic trips on beach or permafrost? I suppose one would also allow you to ride the Trans-wisconsin route's ATV trails from hell... but you can only do that for so long before being struck by a speeding ATV anyways. I hear talk of people needing them to commute and I look back at how I rode my 700x42 Nokians very close to every day for the last two winters. I hear talk about how they roll over things and I think about how I ride my commuter with those same Nokians in snow, up stairs, down stairs, on singletrack, in snow etc. and never feel like I'm missing something, even when riding beside people on fat bikes. All of the above pertains to living and riding in SE MN- I have traveled quite a few places where they would be a potential necessity far more of the time. I think part of my bias has also been fueled by seeing the explosion of fat bikes over the last couple years. I shouldn't let that influence me, but the more people riding them who don't use them as intended the more annoyed I have become. Also, the nicer and more "adorned" the builds have gotten for no good reason... That said, there are certainly a lot of other people in MN riding and racing these bikes in adventurous ways- a lot of the crew riding/racing up in the Hillside Cold Bear series, Deathrider riding through rivers and caves, Pramann etc. up at the Arrowhead. Don't get me wrong- I respect that stuff!



This particular bike-







9zero7 frame with salsa 100mm fork

rolling daryl's/larry's on x9 hubs built by Oneota River Cycles

X0 gripshift

X9 rear derailleur

990 cassette

bontrager crankset with just a 32t SS ring



The cockpit parts shown were all changed out during my testing for my own purposes. As were the pedals. I ran-



crankbrothers quattro ti pedals

ritchey seatpost

bontrager inform rxl saddle

ritchey wcs stem

580mm stylo aluminum bars

ergons plus the same bar ends shown

aero bars



Obviously, almost all of that stuff and the above build is either personal preference or pretty standard issue.





My initial impression of this bike was positive. I have not looked at detailed geometry charts for the various fat bikes, but this bike feels more like a regular mountain bike when it comes to the handling. It has less of an upright steering bias and instead asks to be leaned into and really pushed through corners. I believe this is likely primarily attributable to the "trail" measurement, but maybe someone with more time will tell me otherwise (I just haven't looked it up). Because of this I felt comfortable on the bike anytime the tire pressure was dialed for the conditions right off the bat. The medium sized frame fit my 5'11" frame properly after I tweaked the cockpit. I wound up with about 10mm of setback on the post and a 100mm stem with race style flat bars and bar ends. I was even able to closely approximate my 'ideal' or pre-existing long-distance touring aero bar position and found that it gave me pretty good weight distribution. It was obvious that this bike would work excellently on singletrack or for long distances on snowmobile trails.





I did get my feet wet getting to here. Smartwool allowed me to ride another 4 hrs in sub-freezing temperatures without issue!





The first ride took me along the route of my commute. I found lots of trouble to get into, hitting all the sand, singletrack, technical stuff I could. I was having a good time and just screwing around. I even found a couple of new fun sections. If there is one great thing to be said about riding a bike like this it is that it is an awesome prompt to change your mindset and focus on just having fun. I went on to ride a ton of singletrack and then a couple of hours of gravel that afternoon. The bike was proficient and fun to ride on all of it. The fun factor was very high, although I couldn't help looking at the average mph and thinking about how much faster one of my other bikes would be. I also put some thought into whether or not it was actually more fun to ride than my 1996 Marin 26" SS long travel hardtail would have been on the same conditions. Without snow or epically deep sand the very light Marin with its 140mm of travel up front and 26x2.5s would very likely have been at least equally enjoyable. By the end of the ride it was snowing and the wind was blowing hard, I had my fingers crossed that I'd see some better conditions for fat bike testing soon.



The next morning I got out the door early and repeated most of my route. This time I spent more time on the actual singletrack. Over night we had gotten enough blowing snow that the Larry's were now the clear tire choice on the trails. Throughout all my testing I was repeatedly impressed with how well the bike climbed for it's weight and it was pretty cool to see that continued even in low traction situations on sharp singletrack climbs. I was not as impressed with the lack of feedback given prior to the tires washing out, there almost literally was none. I went down a few times, but also pushed the bike hard into a lot of corners. I found that I was traveling roughly 1/2 as fast as I would have been with summer conditions on my Orbea Alma- quite impressive considering the conditions. The wind was blowing hard and my tracks were disappearing by the time I came back around for another lap in most parts of the park. Despite that I also noticed how incredibly easier it was to ride through an area a second time, even with 26x3.7s pushing through a few inches of fresh snow is tough work! I found that when traction was good or when I kept my speeds down to where I knew I was in control the bike handled very predictably and was easy to "place" in the corners. It was no problem to hit the exact spots I wanted to in order to rail the corners or ride obstacles.



I had a short changeover after that ride before I had to head down to work. I don't feel comfortable locking this bike up down there and so I headed down on the Trek with the 700x42s. At this point the trail was unplowed and drifted and the singletrack only had my fat bike tracks on it. I was expecting it to be a slog on the Trek but it never materialized as such, I had no issues with the 4-6" of mixed bootpacked and drifted snow. It might have been more fun to ride the fat bike in some places, but it wouldn't have been easier overall. I can't see ever wanting to make my commute on a fat bike.



The snow continued and also hit the Dubuque area. This was great news! I had prepped 3 bikes but really was hoping the fat bike would be best!




After all, the reason I had borrowed this bike was to get used to it and then to try and win the Triple D race on it. Here is my write-up from the race-


race recap


This test did nothing to change my overall impression of fat bikes. I would love to have one in order to take part in more winter singletrack riding and 2-3 snowmobile trail type races per year. I doubt I would use it much in any other context. There are too many things out there otherwise that I don't have that I would rather purchase for me to seriously consider picking one of these up. I guess, I view fat bikes as a luxury that I continue to choose not to afford in order to support the rest of my cycling habit. Sort of like Rapha jerseys or carbon 29er rims. For someone who has more $, more sponsors or less other cycling expenses (not everyone wants to race in the range of stuff that I do, or even to race at all) one of these would be an awesome way to have some fun riding a bike, which is always a good thing.