Disclaimer- this isn't my bike. I built it up for someone using all parts that they brought me. I neither condone nor condemn this counterfeit.
Thoughts-
Overall it's a decent carbon frame with aggressive road geometry. The steering is quick and precise. It has no obvious major flaws and feel stable at speed and under heavy braking. It has a bit of a dead feel under heavy acceleration, but I don't know how much of that feeling might be due to the 'heavy' clincher wheels/tires (keep in mind that I ride a Look 585 with sub 1300g tubulars daily). I would need to get used to the handling in order to race a crit on it, but I think it is something that is generally within the realm of what most people like. It is NOT a frame for someone who sits fairly upright- the owner does have a relatively high bar position but the number of spacers needed here to match what would be maybe 20mm of spacers on an E2 Trek head tube or a Roubaix is bordering on excessive. This frame/fork weight was around 1850g which suggests there is quite a bit of material there. That weight also suggests more or less 'regular' grade carbon and basic carbon construction methods.
Building it up I found a few issues. The bottom bracket threading wasn't quite good on one side, the one-piece bar/stem combo had paint on the inside that had to be removed to fit the steerer, the internal cable routing is almost amateurish (just a big slot under the BB for the cables to come out (now that I think about it, that might contribute to sluggish feel. When you think about the extent most manufacturers seem to go through to make that area stiff...). Each piece of the bike is a slightly different color with different shades of yellow showing up on the bars than the frame than the saddle etc.. These issues are truthfully quite minor particularly when weighed vs. the cost.
The graphics and paint overall are well done. It is a bit funny to see a symmetrical frame that clearly states asymmetrical design right on it... as it is also funny when it says oversized bottom bracket yet runs a regular 68mm ENGLISH threading on something presumably not English. The hammerhead, wing computer mount is basically a joke. That said,overall the bike would 'pass' to 90% of the riding population out there. If the color issues were sorted out, which might just be a lot to lot type issue, I would say that 95% of people would think you were riding an $8,000 bike. Actually, let me rephrase that... 99% of people will think you're just another tool, lance wannabe on a bike just as they do when they see anyone else on a road bike... it's the 95% of the remaining 1% who don't know much about Pinarello that it would 'pass' with. The other 5% might also want to club you over the head, but getting into that is heading towards all sorts of issues better avoided.
Considering that this frame cost roughly 1/8 what the 'real' thing goes for, the major differences between it and the real thing and that I've never been on the real thing anyways... I'm not going to try to make any comparison directly there. I can compare this to many lower end carbon frames that I've ridden in the last couple years and would say that this more than holds its own. If the styling is something you like, you aren't worried about that one 5% of the 1% clubbing you, and this suits your budget I give it thumbs up.
All that said- I could get into a slightly damaged/repaired hi-mod Cannondale or s-works Tarmac (or the Look that I do ride) for just about the same amount of money. I've watched a handful of each sell over the last few months that had very very repairable damage where the total cost for the frame/fork plus my repair work would have wound up being slightly less or about equivalent to one of these... Personally, I would rather go that route but that would admittedly not have the same visual impact.
Arrowhead 135 2023
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This past Monday, 1/30/23, I toed the line for my 11th time at the Arrowhead
135. It would become my 10th finish and first win. I've come in 5th, 4th,
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1 year ago
Did he pay to have it all painted like that or is there a company that is actually selling them like that now? Are all the other parts fake too? Dura-Race?
ReplyDeleteKind reminds me of those guys that made Ferrari bodies that fit on fiero chassis, but with the fake graphics, this is possibly more lame. Painting and putting the graphics on makes this guy a tool (IMO).
ReplyDeleteThis isn't even a comparable thing a Fiero is not a Ferrari not in size, shape, engine power, it was a crappy fiberglass shell over a POS 4 banger. This is a true copy of a bike, and as the blogger mentioned to most of us 90-95% wouldn't know the difference. Now I am sickened by the look of this flashy bike, completely not my style, nor do I condone buying a fake bike. I wouldnt be totally opposed to a sanctioned replica at half the cost, but not labels, meaning in all the physical aspects its a Pinarello, but sans the wild colors and emblems as that is copyright infringement. That might be a grey area but considering they will continue to make these with or without Pinarello's permission, might be the best alternative. The reality is most of us love riding, but cannot afford a true CF bike esp of some European design. I'd be all for a home grown American CF bike that's priced within reason.
DeleteI checked and found several sellers of these "pinarellos". Most of them were seling them painted with graphics. I would not be suprised if the several sellers were only one or the source of the frames were the same.
ReplyDeleteI have seen a real pinarello dogma as well and as drew noted they say asymetrical. However, I could not figure out where. I think it is a very minor.
They come exactly like this- he definitely didn't pay anything extra to get it done. They apparently also sell Tarmacs and a few other popular high end models.
ReplyDeleteThe other parts are the real deal.
I have to assume that some people would rather see the frame in bare carbon, some would rather see it with legit graphics (some discount company such as Sette or Scattante- although I believe both actually are selling higher end carbon these days, and some would want it just the way it is.
what did you end up doing about the threading on the bottom bracket? i'm building one of these now and i'm stuck there.... im also stuck with the bearing on the fork not fitting into the tube of the frame, ive tried sanding down the frame but it wont go.
DeleteThere are a ton of standards for headset bearings... I'd try to make sure they sent the right one by bothering my LBS or digging in myown parts bin for a while. I doubt it's off by enough to not fit if it's the right size.
ReplyDeleteI used an 'out of service' older bottom bracket and a bunch of oil and basically used it to fix the threading. Took it as far as I could be sure it was threading right then backed it off and so forth... bike shop should have a proper tool for this, but they'll definitely ridicule you if you need to bring it in.
FWIW- The owner of this bike is still riding it some but primarily riding a project 1 madone 7 series. I am riding a repaired S-Works Tarmac these days. I stand by repaired high-end being the best solution if you want to save some bucks.
Thanks a ton. I think I will bring mine to a machine shop to take care of the threads... I fixed the head tube issue with a metal file . Do you think I'll get anything worse than ridicule from my lbs if I bring it in ?
ReplyDeleteProbably rolls out of the same Chinese factory that the real Pinarellos come from.
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